I took my post (by self-confession, out of sheer cultural ignorance) out. I wrote to Deb about it- because I too, really would like to make things better and not worse- and so, removed my post rather than muddy the waters more.
Sorry if I've confused you all.
And Jan, if you're still around this thread, I have to say that I've picked up a new phrase from you today "glutting for punishment". Yikes, It's something I try not to do...but I sure enjoyed your particular turn of phrase.
And Ofilia, your handwriting is better than mine!! The mail I got from you was intelligible.
I might be better off sometimes if I had to hand write my posts instead of typing (and then I could continue to be the obtuse scientist-philosopher I am)